No Original Pairings For Canons

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Why this?!?! It makes me very sad, if only because you run across a character like Ventus here who was no chance ever of finding love. I understand the rule being in place for characters like Squall, Tidus, or maybe even Zidane but when you think about it...it kinda kills off a possible plot path for characters in a similar situation as Ven. I also understand not having OCS being able to date canons, cause you know...Mary Sue much? But yeah, I was wondering if there was anyone out there agreeing with me?

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Is this canon to canon pairings then? Like VanillexZell (odd example but the first that came to mind hahaha)

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Mhm Canon to Canon, as long it would you know...logically make sense for them to be together. You couldn't have Riku going off and trying to get Maleficent to be his girlfriend.

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Ah well then, yeah I agree, although I thought it only related to SquallxRinoa and the canon couples. Because it would limit some really interesting plots for your character! Hopefully that's what is meant.

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To first point out - Mary Sues and Marty Stus are important writing tools for young writers still learning.

But than I wonder about the wording of the rules in the first place.

Sensuality - Hugs and simple/romantic kissing is fine, but aggressive kissing/groping is not. Also, please be reminded we only support canon-pairings, not original romantic relationships with canons.

Does it mean no canon x OC or simply no wild made up relationships?

Now I know for a fact the reason this rule is in place is cause somebody tore a black hole in it. But for characters that have no true canon relationships, ie Lightning or Lumiere, I would think it is also canon for them not to have relationships. There are some, like the KH chars that actually are, canonly, that have the variable possibility to be shipped with one another, but I think there is a possibility that you can have relationship RPs but not anything that can actually lead into romance because in the end: if you leave the site or someone has to leave, those events become moot because the next person to take that character up may not have the same RP views.

I don't think it keeps you from the RP of building a relationship, but the prevention of a romantic connection that is not normally there, that may be taken away at anytime.

Because if you do look at it, through personality, most the KH, FF and Disney characters who are not in romantic relationships would certainly build other relationships but are not romantically inclined for one reason or another. I think if it is in your character to flirt or try and make relationships; eg Zidane or Locke, it is certainly OK, but to actually fall through with it for them to -stay- with the character, is outside of their canon (both have loves or past loves that prevent them from proceeding).

There is also the possibility some pairs may actually -offend- people (god knows why) and some may just not be comfortable with that kind of roleplay. But I, again, would say, you can certainly go DOWN the path, but take a moment to consider: would that character, given their responsibilities, stop everything for romance or have the point to fall in love again given their history?

I, personally think, you can RP all the relationships and attempted romance, but the moment you "ship" them it -technically- becomes uncanon as they have not, "caonly" been put into a relationship by their creators and (unlike the KH-Original chars) have not been specifically marked as "open ship" (Yes Nomura has stated that he does not "ship" his KH-characters, that it is up to fans to ship. I think he recognizes the fanfiction fandom as he's written fanfics, the dork).

tl;dr: I think you can RP relationships, but not romantically cause it would technically fall into out of canon, but that does not mean tyou can't take the path, it just won't come to fruition cause "something" will stop that canon character, as it has stopped them within their game cause these games and animations are not without their romance.

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But isn't this site a variant of fan fiction, none of our storylines are canon so I don't see why it'd be a big problem if the role play explained how the relationship developed.

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Well, from what I know it wasn't a big problem before, but someone had made it a huge problem so it is now forbidden to do "romantic relationships outside of canon ones". There's always that one guy that ruins everything for everyone else.

In the end it's up to the admin, but only offering my opinion on the fact and an alternative to doing such things: doing the plot, just not fulfilling the true romance bit on threads.

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I understand that you may not want to say names but what context was this situation?

It can be tricky and I have only seen one so far a long time ago that was iffy but maybe the rules could be a little looser with canons with non-established relationships?

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This topic!

Okay, I'll admit as an 'experienced' rper I do not like it when someone else put limitations in what I can write. It makes me wrinkle my nose anyway before there was any romantic prospects for my characters. Why do I scrunch my nose at it? I let my characters BE; I try to let their response genuinely be their responses, and if they have an inkling for someone that's not me enforcing it for my fancy. I've bounced from multiple rps, and I've seen how out of hand 'inexperienced' rpers can take this.

That's what the ruling is there for the 'inexperienced' rpers. At a site before I took Kairi, her predecessor paired her with Leon; I know talk about the age gap. Because of that it led a snowball effect of Sora pursing an OC with severe daddy issues. Fortunately when I took her all of those ties dried with time, and I DEFINITELY didn't want to commit to that. And yet when I played her she had a lot of valid crushes or number of people she felt for, but:

a.) they weren't truly romantic, but a strong polarity or kinship. Strong Heart Ties?
b.) I never exploited them to be hectic love pentagon.
c.) Most of them were with other canons (Sora, Riku, Axel, and Reno) and 1 OC (Kuu), who requested to have them "know of" each other before the KH1 timeline. But they only began forming an actual friendship when they cross paths again where the rp sets. UUUGH BEST THREADS EVER!
d.) Hell I played Kairi, and I could've exploited all the girly chick flicks nature, but I didn't. On the boards, Sora and Kairi NEVER expressed any affection or displayed any form of intimacy. Not only did she ran away from home without telling her bffs anything, she simply couldn't explore that when the world needed her, while feeling like a premature keyblade wielder.

Can you have different dynamics and relations in a feasible manner? Yes, but how can anyone possibly regulate it to avoid the worst case scenario? So I'll augment what Zidane said, your characters can roam and build bonds across the globe until they're burple. They can flirt; they can feel, but play it safe by leaving the romances out of the boards. I use SKYPE! You can suggest it here.

[insert shrug] Seriously I don't know how often Ienzo x Elsa was suggested. Man I would've loved it to be unrequited or something he suppressed and ignored, since he doesn't like to expose himself or be prone to vulnerability. ~3~ The feels and frustrations would've been beautiful. I think I just like emotionally torturing my characters. o3o I may have a problem.

ANYWHO!

I'd say to people who prances in and see that ruling and get stunted, "Don't enter an rp with the intent to pair your characters up. Just rp and if a spark happens, explore it in depth outside of here." I personally would love to read the complexity of being human with human feelings and conflicts, because it's so human and one can relate.

Right now, I can say for sure if Lilo spends more time with Zest she will grow to admire him; he's so SHINY and cryptic. Who doesn't like a shiny cryptic stoic puzzle? You just wanna POKE IT! I'm not sure if Demona will ever yield to the idea of seeing Titan as a son even if she already views him like a child. She technically already have one (well many if you think of gargoyle culture), but she failed them. Replacing them with another would feel unforgivable, and she may not have the heart to do so completely. Sooo instead she may display 'affections' violently to punish herself for feeling and taking it out of him for causing it.

See there are other relationships to experience, which can bring out unknown sides of your character to explore.

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1] Continuity – It would be difficult for new players to pick up where someone else left off and may be put off if the other roleplayer wants to continue said relationship especially if it may not be their cup of tea. Some may be considerate if the new player wants to start a clean slate [which may be more difficult if the romance was established in roleplay and was a part of the other character’s plot.] if they don’t wish to pick up the previous rpers’ plots, but there’s always someone who will be a jerk about it.

We prefer to give them the option of continuing the previous rper’s plots and if not, let them rp their character as they want as long as they’re still IC. That part hasn’t changed but the OOC interactions between the rpers might if we allowed this.

2] Relationships does not always mean romance. At least not all of them need to lead up to romance, this isn’t a site where the plot is more focused on romance, and romance is more of a side-thing to the majority of literate roleplaying. OCs can still have a brotherly/sisterly and/or rivalry relationship with a canon character, or simply admire [role-model type thing] a canon. Heck even ‘friendship’ can still be a type of relationship [or ship] that an OC can still have with a canon.

3] Romance has a huge tendency of leading up to OOC drama which may include ship wars or someone simply disliking the pairing and being extremely vocal about it as Zidane mentioned.

4] There is also the probability that OCxCanon relationships will focus more on the romance than actual plotting and meaningful literate roleplay. Sometimes the relationship can be built up; most of the time it’s out of nowhere. Back when we allowed OCxCanons, it has gone out of hand which prompted us to put up the rule.

5] It is very possible that the character can get OOC when they become part of an OCxCanon relationship and there are some characters who may be better off without a romantic relationship. This was also one of the reasons why we prompted this rule.

6] There can also be poor discretion in regards to the allowance of OCxCanon relationships. I won’t dwell too far onto this point, but poor discretion in regards to a pairing can make some people uncomfortable. This was the one reason why we put up this rule.

7] OCxOC romantic relationships are still allowed as long as they stay within Proboards ToS.

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Oh gosh I might be a little to tired for this so let bare with me a little bit here.

You all have very valid points and I agree with this, and I understand the problem that might come about by allowing this. It just feels like you are taking away a route for a character to follow, sure there is more than romance lines to follow but what if someone wanted to follow that path? You just told them 'no' it has no bearing at all, and...that in and of itself can be a little bit off putting. On the subject of Continuity I'd like to point a pretty prime example why even now that is a bit of a problem.

You have a character like Aqua for example, who is vastly different than the person she is canon wise. Hell Lilo has taken her down a very different path than what, could be intended for her. Let's say for some reason Lilo goes and leaves, and someone else wants to pick up the character. Anybody whose interacted with Aqua now views her as this person who had no memory of her past self and had this tie to Hades she never had before.

Now what if that player didn't want to do that with Aqua? Then you've just ruined the flow of continuity altogether. I don't see why you should worry about OOC, if people as human beings, or semi old enough adults aren't able to handle something like this, then they really shouldn't be on a forum in the first place no? Also Sel I'm not talking about OCxCanon relationships. I'm talking about CanonxCanon romantic relationships.

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I fail to see why the the ruin of continuity is a bad thing, as it appears to be implied, in regards to a new player not wishing to pick up the previous player's plot for a character they're picking up. Picking up the previous character's plot is optional. They are free to plot what they wish with that character as long as it stays within IC limits.

Ventus, romance is not the only option for canon characters to follow in regards to plotting. All the points I posted up before for why OCxCanon romance relationships aren't a thing, are valid reaons for nontypical canon relationships that don't need to involve romance. We don't wish for things to get out of hand which is why we have that rule.

Since one option is taken out, there are still loads of other plotting options to try out with the character. They may not always work out; but there are a variety of other options other than romance and romance should not be the sole focus of having a character interact with others.

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....If you don't see how it would be a bad thing, then why would you list it as a reason for the rule to be in place? like...right from your post you listed continuity.

Oct 27, 2014 12:47:00 GMT -5 @selena said:

1] Continuity – It would be difficult for new players to pick up where someone else left off and may be put off if the other roleplayer wants to continue said relationship especially if it may not be their cup of tea. Some may be considerate if the new player wants to start a clean slate [which may be more difficult if the romance was established in roleplay and was a part of the other character’s plot.] if they don't wish to pick up the previous rpers’ plots, but there’s always someone who will be a jerk about it.

We prefer to give them the option of continuing the previous rper’s plots and if not, let them rp their character as they want as long as they're still IC. That part hasn’t changed but the OOC interactions between the rpers might if we allowed this.

And I'm not saying it should be the sole reason, I'm well aware that it shouldn't be. I'm just saying I'd like to have the option, if the character is suppose to be yea know...mine I'd like to be explore EVERY possibility with him. Not just...what you pick and chose for me. As I'm sure anybody would agree with me on that regard.

Again I must stress the fact that I'm not looking at it as a sole means for plotting, and I must also stress the fact I'm not talking about OCxCanon. It also seems like you're more worried about the OOC impact something like this could have over the impact it would have IC. Which I find to be quite silly, if someone isn't able to handle something as dare I say, minor. As this then they clearly shouldn't even be on a forum, where you expected to be mature.

It's okay though, I'll just drop the matter. No need to keep talking about something if it won't go anywhere